Episode One - Andy Nulman (Just for Laughs, Play The Future)

The following is a transcript of “We Now Join The Program Already in Progress” Episode One with Andy Nulman.

Voice of God: [00:00:00] Due to the length of earlier programming on KOIN local 6 we now join the following program already in progress.

 

Saul Colt: [00:00:06] So what is through the out door.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:00:11] Oh it's in through the outdoor. Yeah. Yeah. It could be one of my greatest successes the greatest failure depending on how you look at it I see it as a success. But I guess if you if you question the public they may find a different answer but the other is this idea has way way way back when it's 20 or 20 years ago that the show aired it was the world's first all gay gay and lesbian sketch comedy shop. And I got the idea because I was running just relax time and I saw we had a show called queer comics which was a club show and most of the audience was game of not the gay and lesbian people. Thirty five percent were straight and I said you know what this shows is that it's not a ghettoized concept. This is something that could be accepted by the brand public. So that was the idea I pitched it to four years from initial pitch to actually being on the air was not easy but I had two sympathetic ears over the CBC in Canada and a Showtime in the United States. Those were the two co- producing companies for it. We did it put together amazing cast and crew and including Lia DeLaria who is probably best known that album ORANGE IS THE NEW BLACK IT WAS AMAZING AMAZING grouping and amazing the show very ahead of its time and very daring. And so many that last sketch was partly the price is right. It was called Last Chance. It was a game show for AIDS patients. And basically what they were doing the bidding on medicine and because it was so expensive and it was really dark and all again the end game so they have blood and you bought a new car. Well we did something similar that we said we will get to around. Also you go in your own private ambulance, a new ambulance. We have an ambulance on set and it was really wild. So air and the response was unreal, unfathomable. Everybody hated it. Everybody hated it. You know the consumers were aghast liberals were aghast. The gay community was unhappy to be portrayed this way. I mean everybody was just up in arms over it. It really went to far for the time and still goes was the pilot and there's going to be a series of CBC and Showtime shows on as you know a window in areas which we have to say 16 times after the first airing on CBC I got calls from the head of both network saying look this is just too much and keep the money but we are never airing this again. So that was that because again the other.

 

Saul Colt: [00:03:04] Is a crazy time sort of changes everything so I watched it recently you posted it up on YouTube. It's brilliant. And but like I guess watching it with 2018 eyes or lenses I just thought it was a really well written you know sort of edgy you know show that that you know occasionally got dark I imagined 20 years ago very very different time place and sensibility but like now if you were to play this I'm not sure that there would be any reaction other than you know you probably win an award or two.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:03:39] Well see again there's a great expression expressionlessly cliche by now but timing is everything. What's the other one that comedy is just tragedy sped up or is a tragic comedy slow down.

 

Saul Colt: [00:03:52] It's one it's about that time plus something time plus tragedy equals comedy or something like that. There we go.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:04:01] So again maybe I'd rather be ahead of my time than behind what people are doing. And so again back to the original question is that a failure or a success. I don't know. I think it's the success. I'm incredibly proud of. But you know maybe I should have just waited a little bit but again if you wait some will come up with it before you and then suddenly you're a me to.

 

Saul Colt: [00:04:25] So they do. So yeah we've been chatting for a while. You've had such an interesting career. You know you started out at 16 and you know writing for a weekly newspaper. How did that kind of prepare you for everything you did after that.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:04:42] Well I was always with older people because of the fact that look I started at 16 and the entertainment editor newspaper at 17. This was before I could even get into the club bars where somebody is the show's level. This week I'll be writing about getting people to write but were happening. So all my peers were older. You know the kids have gone to school with you know necessarily understand you know what I was going through or what I was doing. So it just prepared me I guess for always to be the eternal outsider never really getting in anywhere and in some cases that could be traumatic and that could be problematic and that could result in a lot of years of therapy for me it just a great position in state because what I used I think to make for the rest of my life.

 

Saul Colt: [00:05:35] So yeah we've we've been friends for a long time and one of the things that you know that I've really enjoyed that I just enjoy every minute we spend together enjoy like you know the time you give me the conversations the advice things along the ways you know you wrote a book probably four or five years ago and really bad with timelines for the book was called Power right between the eyes and it really documented the importance of standing out. It's something that you know we've talked about a lot. We both kind of live to you live to varying degrees. You know reading the book and hearing your stories and I probably know too much about you is you know like you've really lived this your whole career and when you know you cofounded Just for Laughs festival used to do some crazy stunts to promote the festival in the early days. Can you tell a couple of those stories and then I want to know if that's sort of you know is that where the idea for the book came out from or have you been walking around this idea for a long time.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:06:37] The idea really is I guess it's the concretization of my DNA. I guess my DNA. What how I live my life both professionally and personally. But really I saw the result of this I guess by doctors Yes I thought people were going to jump aboard. So let's go. Let me go back to the question that will go into the more philosophical element the Just For Laughs That we did because I would always say just for laughs. That's so Neil James Bond 0 0 7 Michael to kill. We had license to do anything because at one point in time we could always fall back on the excuse. Just kidding. So I give this example if you're a banker. You see somebody slap in the face. What do you do with what we can replace him. We get say. Just for laughs in the suit because basically crazy has come out I'm just kidding. So have comedy and you get away with it. So it was that theory that we wanted to put into play all the time that we didn't really do anything and get away with it. So there are so many. I remember one time we did a show called the comedy of politics and to promote it what we did the Canada Day parade happening in Quebec. We didn't get saved on the verge of tears up at the parade and we did something somebody at the time there was no security place where we didn't. We got a car a convertible convertible. We had the comedy of politics on side. We had a actor dressed as Ronald Reagan one Robert Gerasimov for us with the premier back at the time. And basically we waited for the parade to pass the side and basically just pulled our car into a lot of traffic and suddenly we have a parade. So it is the official float convertible. This fall as sort of with two people one just as radiant as Robert Brass's striking each other in the back seat or sitting on the back of the truck and on the back of the convertible beer and strangling each other. And I know of course at the piles of papers with the newspapers that we read this book and we just play that because it will happen. So we're going to go ahead and take a little rest just because hey guys just last I'm just kidding. Totally we would get away with it. So that's the stuff we did.

 

Saul Colt: [00:09:16] I may have half the story remembered properly. Didn't you do a press conference once where you announced that it was in a ballroom and announced is in one location and then just kept scaling back and back and back.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:09:31] Oh well there were a couple times we play with the first time we did it we announced that we set the invitations that were gold engraved invitation to this amazing VIP dinner with champagne and everything at the Ritz. And then we sent out a second invitation to this and so we know the budget cuts we're having a good buffet at the holiday. It looks like an invitation that was a lot less lavish. It was this third before the printed on the back of the pizza box and we said that we're having a Domino's pizza at a frat house at McGill and that they will be scaled that down the whole thing. It will give have a lot of money but the indications were pretty cheap to produce and it didn't we and that people are so excited that they got the first invitation back in 1986. And you know at the time was just getting off the ground and the media was so excited that we're coming to the ritz for lobster champagne and froe grias.

 

[00:10:29] I was given the dance. They were pissed off. They got the joke at the end but it really set the pace of who we were. Another time another venue we did one at the lot of the convention center. We got the biggest movie possible, seats 10000 people I would put three chairs a folding table in front and a way way far backwards for the paper and donuts and just a massive room with empty people were walking the football field looking at the chairs and what when and how to go wrong puzzled and we had one planted journalist who was a fake journalist asking questions. You know it's just a way to start a comedy festival of course not and that's one of the doors open behind that we had a marching band circus animals. But that was amazing deal. The stuff that we played around with the guy we it because we could.

 

Saul Colt: [00:11:35] so I was talking with David Feldman the other day the great David Feldman who I met at Just for Laughs You know sort of him inadvertently through you. You had me down at the festival many years ago and he's going to be on the podcast and Dave and I become quite good friends I care for him deeply as a great person. We were talking about political correctness. And yeah and how you know sometimes you have to filter yourself or her hold back and sometimes you don't. Some people think about it some people don't think about it. Do you ever filter yourself or did you ever sort of bite your tongue and not say what you're really thinking or are you always sort of who you are. Take it or leave it.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:12:18] I think that these days you have to think a lot more what you say before you say yes I think a lot more of what you're going to do before you do it to say who can offend than why so be prepared for it and be blindsided by it. I want to be honest with you and saying you I'm a little less daring than I used to be because the consequences can be a lot worse. But then again I've been doing this for 42 years. So what's the worst thing that happened. You know I never work again. So what. OK I've done 42 years. When you to take away the rights to work. I would love to. But I also plan to go to prison for doing it but I want about that. So you said before this we can really I can relate to. We talked about the stunts just for laughs. Nothing surprising about that. What is. Well people talk a lot about change they want change that is something different this is something you need. And when you actually come to them with something unique and different and wild ranges and standing out they'll back they'll say you know I mean I usually get to this well once in a while. Crazy. OK. Wonderful. Yes. That's a little water. Wow. You need scale back a bit. All right. One of the press a little bit still too much good because that's just not free. OK. Yes perfect. Well you know what that's exactly what you do. You do we know you don't want to change. You saying Do what you don't buy. And then all you know is do you want to take somebody off change first won't do it after that. So in the end. So disinterested interesting bogosity so disillusioned by that because really what is that more often than not. I'm sure I love you but I'm betting there.

 

Saul Colt: [00:14:15] Hi I've had. I've worked for like a hundred brands over my career and I'd say probably two or three ever like only two or three really said like Go just don't get us in trouble. And everyone else was like You know I would say this is this is what you need to do to accomplish your goals. And they would ask for it. You know in their mind they'd be like oh that's an 11 out of 10. You know on the volume thing and I'm thinking really it's more like a six and they're like scale it back and scale it back and every time I scale it back I would explain to them this is what I think you can get at this level and this is the results thinking it at this level. And you know I got a pretty good knack for knowing what'll come from different things and I'm usually pretty right. And then you know and one position I absolutely hate being in you'd think I would love this from a gloating standpoint. I hate being in the I told you so stage because I get no glory from it. No joy from it I'd rather do the cool thing and show them that this is what's possible then say this is what we got. And we could have got way better. It's like hurts my heart.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:15:26] Sure. But I told you so means it was a failure.it means you didn't you didn't carry out the mission and that's what she said. There's no winning. I'm not even monetarily . I told you so. No win whatsoever in that.

 

Saul Colt: [00:15:47] Like how have you. Have you figured out think tricks to selling crazy ideas to conservative thinkers. Or is there is it. You know there is no trick to it. You either find the right person or you don't find the right person.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:16:00] You find the right person you don't find them and so many people are afraid of death. You know people have mortgages with kids in school and they have priorities. And I give a great example. They got the nimbleness that it had to do with a lottery corporation we were dealing with and we came up with all these really sexual ideas that they all love. So we're going to go ahead with that we're going to do it. And in the end they said no and that's why. Basically this is what it boils down to. But the logical person was somebody who you know works alongside them alongside us bring them to the table. This is why we corporations you know lives in this part of Canada, not remote but it isnt Toronto Montreal as arrogance as a salary of 40000 dollars house and the water and all that. If he does nothing and keeps his job for seven eight years and years maybe be able to retire with the life of a parachute. But if you go and take some risks and work submitted again. Fifty thousand dollars salary. Take the risk. Does He have fired and he's never going to find another job like this again. So why do it. Why take a risk and that's it. So he got in this this guy has a life and a career. Why not just my career and my kids and my and my life with my family for this grand idea my idea. So you then directed them.

 

Saul Colt: [00:17:31] You mentioned DNA in my brain it's like well like I always want to do the thing that could you know be amazing. How is one to take the risk. Like I said I'm the guy who bet it all and you know luckily 98 percent of the time I've been right so far because like I don't even think of these things as risk because they're calculated there's nothing actually like half half assed about them or are reckless it's like you know we come up with the idea we planned it from every direction. It may seem risky to the uninitiated but yeah I don't think anything you've done that and maybe I'm wrong you've really like haven't thought it through all the way in and really don't know what the most probable outcome is going to be it's just the you know the the the actual executions seem you know crazy to some people.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:18:20] It's many causes and what happens is you know you think everything out but what you don't figure out is people's reaction to public reaction. And sometimes the public respond so vocally and loudly that people go kind of deal as you say we shall lot down the deal. Let me go back to the outdoor example. You know there was a massive outcry but we know this going to that a massive. Are you willing to put on gay television show on the air in 1998 face. You know the set of problems but you would you have to do. And my take was OK you think that your interview likely that you are appalled that you are close minded don't watch. It's not you. You remember we got the company people said I will stop watching CBC if this is a national if this continues. What would you say you the national mission much the shock of national international laws. He wasn't the flamboyantly gay but that was a time you know a great person he watched the wife take up the issue on the national so I thought that. So you know people panic. What can you do. You're not going to change that. And you have to look for those who are willing to embark and take a risk with you. But the book doesn't work. One example recently. So it's for the world. SIMON I think it's one of the great retailers not just in Canada but in world out of Quebec City. And they just faced a huge controversy over a line of bras they named after Chief Justice. Yeah. Why are you ok. Where is the win there? Well you know yes you know you're going you get press but there's really these days with me too need you know how would you know that's not going to play well. So why do it.

 

Saul Colt: [00:20:31] So if they're silly. That one was a head scratcher. Like I mean I've done some pretty risky things and I looked at that and went well I wouldn't even touch that with a ten foot pole.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:20:42] Saul, You gave me I will still remember you talking about the book. I didn't get to go back to the book. I thought for sure I wrote that book I'm surprise. Oh my lord. This is going to be like read every marketing book in the world at that time. And I was so bored because they all said the same thing. They all said You'll exact same thing. I was just and exact but it was all repetitive. And this one really came out of left field of original art that there was all sorts of games and it didn't stop and it was a show that some books. This is really going to take you by storm but it did because the fact is people you can't teach people guts. you can't teach people to take risks. You can have anecdotes and you can't do that. People talk. The city they would love that they'll never be able to do it. So I realize how that were to actually think that by now people are going to change their ways because I'm reading the book but most of them go back. I wish I could get this with the Greatest Stunts of all kinds which I would love to get the money to do it. But you said that having a copy on his books and to get buy a copy right now and people are 2000 people. You get these people into Bluejays game and you buy seats that.

 

Saul Colt: [00:22:02] Sit in the field and read your book for nine innings from me.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:22:08] And you see of course someone's going to pick it up and they will look at this what are they doing Zoom in and that gets broadcast around the world. I just don't have the money to pay for 2000 tickets because of the book. Two thousand people but that was a brilliant idea you know right now. You know as a social media company company you will see over the course of 50 months because most of the time it's a brilliant idea. Never forget that.

 

Saul Colt: [00:22:34] Thank you. You know it's funny when you say about companies taking risks and being afraid to lose a good job or something. One of the best opportunities and the worst opportunities I ever had in my career. You know without naming any names I was hired by a company to basically you know give it some life and give it you know some personality. And things like that. And the CEO hired me. I didn't realize this one as being hired. That was his Hail Mary pass. He was like he had like 30 days to live or not literally but like you know corporately live and and he was looking for me to kind of save his job and he was actually thrown out eight days into me being hired and they saw me as his person and they were going to throw me out too. But they put me on a 30 day probation like thing. The logic behind all this and they gave me a budget and they said go do something crazy because they were hoping it would backfire and they could get out of my contract. And and I did it and it worked. And they gave me another 30 days and another 30 days so the first six months that I worked with this company I was going 30 days or 30 days doing you know the most freedom I've ever had anywhere because they were hoping they could fire me because of it and because you know I didn't have you know people saying water down or this or that things actually went ridiculously well. You know I sort of lived out my one year contract and decided I didn't like you know the whole gun to my head approach of everything. But it's always interesting to me why people you do stupid things are just the motivation behind stupid things because these guys actually wanted a disaster so they could get rid of me as opposed to nurturing something beautiful and you know building it out and blowing it up and actually following through on the goals of the hire and making the company something special. It's a good corporate people are always a mystery to me.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:24:36] Well then again look at what Nike did with Colin companies. And this is to me a great lesson because you know I remember when it when it first hit people said oh lord what were they done. This is going to blow up in their face. But this is too smart a company just to do something you know. So you like that the measure that they knew that it was going to be a backlash.

 

[00:25:03] But the thing is with the brilliance is the Frontlash was going to be a lot heavier much stronger than the backlash. And you know what. We know we're going to lose cost really doesn't get them to stop because hey you know I disagree we. So that's the backlash. Trump is going to go rail against. It was a free publicity frontlash. That's great. We get what's coming we're going to do that to our benefit but you people always reap a backlash backlash and you know I like the drive the business backlash the backlash to the stuff that people worry about and the things that they become so in my thought.

 

Saul Colt: [00:25:42] I saw it on Twitter but I don't know who said it so I can attribute at least be honest and sad and come up with and buy them. But I thought this was really relevant. Someone wrote Nike's no longer marketing to the people who've loved them for the last 30 years. They're marketing to the people who will love them in the next 30 years. And I thought that was really quite an astute observation because the Kaperenick thing was brilliant. And like there's no way that wasn't thought of in discussed from every angle and and it just worked like it. You know I've been reading about. Have you ever heard the term by BYcotts like instead of boycotts bycotts. Sure sure yeah like this is really like in some ways people have rallied to go support the company even more through you know the backlash exactly what you're saying. So it is brilliant but as brilliant as it is it's not that far out of the Nike personality. From day one like sort of the things I've always done just the timing of it was so perfect and the fact that they are the official sponsor of the NFL. That's something I've never seen a brand do. Almost you know play both sides of the fence at the same time was very interesting.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:26:56] But we are with you that big you can do it. And you know you never know. I'm sure they ran simulations they ran the numbers. They know what was up but still there are many companies that would have taken a shot like that and it was the turning point in their downfall. But you know I get kudos to them for having the guts to actually do it. Most people you know talk about it never have the guts to do anything just like it. But it's funny you talk about the next 30 years and in them. Believe it or not political commentary for the Quebec election coming up here in the CBC part of the the election night coverage and we've been doing weekly political commentary on what's going on with the election. And you realize I've read some pretty interesting books on politics to prep on this. They realize that most politicians today are talking about that are really yesterday's news. I hate to say this but you know talk about nafta and dairy farmers and jobs the auto sector which are things that are going to be very different in you know 20 to 30 years where we're till the data you know the rise of algorithms will actually be the game changer. And people are still talking about old school jobs. I mean remember you Yuval Harare well Harare and you look you know a Harare called bucardo has and homogeneous and sapiens and he has a new book over them lessons but really with books that would make you think of 30 years ahead. That really is as you said it's written here and that's the the that's the move here not necessarily calling Kaekernick the move of thinking 30 years ahead so that you know so many things have changed so rapidly. Most of the things we're talking about here are irrelevant fast.

 

Saul Colt: [00:28:58] So speaking of 30 years ahead we're going to talk of all you're doing now sort of and talking about the past but one little bridge before we get into what you're doing now with a play in the future your career has always been kind of you know show business and technology and you know various different times as a pioneer of you know sort of this space combining the two. Is it interesting to you and maybe have a completely different opinion but where we stand right now I don't think showbiz's technology can almost live without each other.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:29:31] True but I think in many cases a show business and technology are at odds with each other in many cases. Showbiz's almost primitive in some of the ways that things are hand organised. An example I think is it's not necessarily what you see on stage I just came back from seeing the Paul McCartney and I saw U2 earlier this year and some of the stuff that's going on there technologically is really impressive but I'll use the example of just getting into a venue getting into a venue these days with technology you're using airport technology which you know present technology although you have you have periods of extremes it's really a constant ebb and flow whereas we go concert there's one peak of it or a hockey game peak period and using the same technology used to run through an airport on a 24 hour basis whereas you get to hockey game or a concert on a one hour basis so you tell them being primitive technology that some push technology really to the forefront. Just getting people into a building without having to wait into line for 40 minutes which is the case if you go to a hockey game or concert at the Scotiabank arena Bell Centre in Montreal. So I really do think that that is the way to communicate as it's still you know primitive compared compared to what could have been based on what was going on in the world. And you know and I guess it will happen sooner or later we're a different breed. Takeover decision making process. So

 

Saul Colt: [00:31:16] What are you working on now and I sort of hinted at that called the future is what is the future.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:31:22] Well there's a couple of big projects play the Future is one of them and again it goes back to you know the DNA of being you know perhaps ahead of the game that we just will we would just give him just less off the ground. There's no such thing as a comedy festival yesterday. It didn't exist. We will go around talk about some what we're doing this comedy festival Montreal. The question would always be what's a comedy festival. And then we finally explain this why would you do that. Montreal people couldn't fathom it. So that was in the early mid 80s airborne was the mobile mobile entertainment. We started in 1999 when those screens were green with black dots. We told people that one day people got to watch television of these things and they thought we were mad. So we had we watch television. But you guys are crazy. My office so that was that. So you play in the outdoors. Very similar. Hey we're good solid good mothers and lesbians who cares about them. Why would anybody ever watch this. There we go. And now they features almost the same thing. It's a simple concept. It is you know fantasy sports is correct. Desperate making sense you like we see that why just make bets sporting event a data point and the data points the amount of Varvatos sweaters sold at Nordstrom is a data point equal to a score of the leafs Rangers game. If that number. So but the thing is you know. My wife  could care less about the score of Rangers game but she made the call to know how many sweaters were sold at Nordstrom. So why why not take every data point to make a play about this. You said you know it's a game if it can be measured it can be played and that's what it really is right now trying to push the concept of fantasy life of a play. Example there was a huge fundraising ball that was explain this concept to somebody said look this event itself can be played. How many bottles of wine will be served today. How many how many glasses will be broken. What will the silent auction of price be for the painting that they're auctioning off. These are all points at the end and that will give back the rental they have to say 12 glasses were broken so local glasses were broken. So do the count of bottles of wine so why not play. Go ahead make the event itself a game. And you know if people more involved when you look back in the history of the NFL what made the NFL more popular than baseball. Why. Because America's game was the violence could be but also the point spread people to the point that made the difference because it was a blowout. The point spreads kept interest in the game. So that is basically what to put the points for not life. And again it's one of those things like just falafels of airborne mode or into the author was you know ahead of its time and our goal is just to stay in the game and it has to be there when it hits.

 

Saul Colt: [00:34:42] So how's it going.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:34:47] You know some days are diamonds some days. So to quote Tom Petty right now we're we're we've had some great trials with Bell Media. So we've got to take this to the next level. Let's play the whole network or less develop a television show where rather than discuss what happened this week. John Oliver had once a show called Last Week Tonight you have a show come next week. Today we're going to go and say this is what's called prediction. You know you go ahead in the next week to come back and see who the best and the audience at home could play along. So of course the same way with elections or with sports. The more than the people you know on television conflict. So is what monologist wants with know media and projects we launched in October with Ladbrokes which the huge U.K. gaming firm to launch it to basically play the British news so that will test questions right now. One of the questions this week I love was Megan Markels releasing a cookbook. So we say OK the Dutch to put up this week. What will it Amazon ranking Be On. You know try that. So that's the type of questions we want to bring to the table people you know play along and enjoy the rest of us the way some people enjoy sports.

 

Saul Colt: [00:36:16] That's very cool so you've got an amazing art collection and I assume you've been collecting for a long time. Why is it important to you.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:36:26] Art is. We're talking about the things that we do. That is you know I could never put this on canvas or make a hobby out of porcelain or marble or wood. So the quote unquote art I can create these ideas. But these people can create these type of ideas that you would talk about but do it on a canvas. And you know all the other media I talked about last I support it really it's an encapsulation of creativity you have with you. Basically we'll capture that you capture the spirit of someone's idea and you're able to actually display and I think that's amazingly cool. To me the art is great but there's two things that come of that which which which I love. First of all it's the process I chose not to learn about the process what went into it. The bridal shop both painting my house to learn how the whole story about Chuck Close what he does and how he's done it why it's fascinating. So it gives a story to the piece was not a piece of the wall. You can talk to somebody and say this is this is the story. So it's not just you know something in a frame but there's a whole history behind me to mention the history by every piece. That's one thing that really art is impact because to me you know the art only becomes art when exposed to the audience. It's a relationship. So a painting or sculpture in someone's studio is is the relevance of Art Art Art. Some see it react to it but there's a relationship. So I love seeing the relationship where people come into my home and see what have. Some people want peace and other peace. The least there's a reaction versus you know neutrality neutrality our neutrality or whatever. You know art can be whatever the. Oh my god it's fantastic. That's for effect in here forever. However it is not art it is a relationship. That's why I like it so much.

 

Saul Colt: [00:38:47] A couple more questions than I give you your day back. Why do you keep working as hard as you do.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:38:57] Because it's always seen the play the future. You know we call it  tomorrow's trivia because it's a rally. I wonder what happened yesterday and I always look it up for trivia. So Boring now. if I want to know anything like a Alexa what's the tallest mountain in Ecuador that will set the tallest mountain in Ecuador is Mount whatever it is. So those feet above sea level. Thank you. Any answer I wonder of anything that happened can get within hours of Friday my electorate just started when I said that hilarious. But you want to know can be solved in the second just by speaking it and suddenly if they are trying to get more answers for you but no one knows what tomorrow brings. So That's the fascination with tomorrow that I keep working to create tomorrow to see what tomorrow will break. I always have this discussion with with my business partner the person Foster I like to write a phone call just don't or a unknown number I don't know the numbers. Wow where is this going to lead. The great mystery pass is going to be pointed towards me. You know She wont answer the phone she has known the person she knows that sort of needs. Wow it's like a Pandora's box of wildness about to happen. So that's why it's you know it's not for you know the money it's for me the experience for the what happens with them. And in some ways that's why you are driven at all by people thinking you can't do something you know in the end that's that's not the reason why but it's fueled basically everyone really basically everything I've done and it's not like again get back to the point you made before. Like I told you so moment because you never throw it in someone's face. I told you I could do this. You said no. I certainly showed you alibi. But in your mind what you're doing is when people say it can't be done to a location it can't be. Let me show you. And that really is the driving force but only the driving force let. Let me show you the there let me see if it can be done versus haha look what I've done in your face. Yeah I believe that everything like that. We go back to a 16 year old in a newspaper are you kidding it's ever going to happen. No comedy festival? You know entertainers cellphones watch TV are going nuts. So all those things take off back but never in a way that's the revenge for it because that will blow up your face. It's just the satisfaction of saying this is good because I'm good.

 

Saul Colt: [00:41:53] Now why last question why don't you think I have my own TV show.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:41:59] Yeah. Why. Because first of all if I ran the networks about you when we were together you would probably go too far and you probably have to get fired but that's great. At least you have a right to have a run. I find it amazing how much television is coming out and is made I find a lot of it isn't I very the very people Mike Darnell who used to be a star at Fox he did lots of wild reality shows Arthur Smith and we all are who has maybe the American Ninja series worked really well. There are quite a few funky in different but so much is is again a worry of change and because of the fact that there's committees and there's groups that focus groups and these are people who take no I'm saying it will take a fistful of razorblades razor blades to give you that. And that's the problem. It's so much that there's not one person or one Keen's vision it's OK what can be done by consensus and consensus by a large never really works. It works for that. That said there's so much TV coming up what you would need release somebody said hey you know it's good that we're ABC CBS get the shot to has to survive by languishing. Let's just try anything you need someone says let's just try anything because you know our next us Saul or oblivion. I think that would be a great name for sure. Saul or Oblivia.

 

Saul Colt: [00:43:40] It's Sol or nothing.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:43:43] Yeah well yeah we got a really good way to end this show. It's all or nothing. I think it's fantastic that the Goonies.

 

Saul Colt: [00:43:53] You want to hear my 30 second pitch. Sure it sounds like doorly whatever listen. Maybe someone is listening. It's a lawyer. It's a late night talk show where I get a list guests like George Clooney and people of the like and they interview me every week. And and so instead of me asking questions about what they've got going on they just ask me stories about my childhood. It's a guaranteed Emmy Award winner right there.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:44:24] Well it depends what what the what the category of emmy but you know just bring up saw years ago I pitched to two shows they say Let's reinvent the talk show. It was really just pitched to HBO. It was it was called Ultra comfort zone. What it was it was the appearances of Let's break some of the comfort zone. But let's take somebody into their extreme comfort zone meaning we could take Hulk Hogan and Hulk Hogan because he was a wrestler. Wow. Yelling screaming but he's ugly. All right. This is cool. Do you in your state believe in the this could ultra comfits when you're not in love. Do you know. Oh I should build a ship. And it takes you take this guy to his extreme comfort zone. OK so let's take you there. I pitched a similar idea to the CBC as a pre show to hockey in Canada to see let's show other parts of hockey pairs all about let's show their love there and it's a talk show with hockey player you the half hour each with a couple of guys the sort of things they do with the ideas hangeul people come here just for laughs with Bradley came to our show and he just said that because he thought he was a cabinet maker with the built Cabot's was a woodworker and he loved it so that I never knew nothing about how the soil could be showing the stuff. There was Jose Theodore guitar player and to a rock band so that was so cool. Joseph had a particular band on the show. So again it never worked. They needed to sing that right now. They pick us up and still give us the credit. Yes.

 

Saul Colt: [00:46:24] And we end every show with introductions so tell people who they are and where they can follow up and find more about you.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:46:34] You know the best way to find out about me and the Andy Nulman is to just Google me because I'm almost at the anti social media I'm on Facebook I'm on Twitter and read on them you know. But I'm not like a guy who I'm on Instagram but I'm not someone who really uses it daily to push it any I've nothing to push. I have my stuff. You find it you like it cool. Not body really. It's it's not. There's nothing to push it. It's all pool just type entitlement. I'd rather be pulled and have to continue to push a little bit more Pull in my life. It would be very very beneficial.

 

Saul Colt: [00:47:15] OK Andy I'm grateful to have you in my life. Thank you very much for doing this and I appreciate it. A whole lot.

 

Andy Nulman: [00:47:23] It's Saul or nothing my friend.

 

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